Bobby Slade Interview
Interview with Bobby Slade
April 1, 2023
Memorial Stadium
Champaign, IL
Rosette Pavkov/Interviewer: RP/I
Bobby Slade: BS
Daniel Shepherd: DS
0:00 to 15:30:
RP: So I'm just. Going to go ahead and state my name for the camera and the date and where we are. And then I'd like you to state your name and then just spell it out for me. So that way when we go back into our records, we have that consistently. Anyway, my name is Rosa Pasco. We are at the 77 club at the History Harvest for Farm Aid. It is April 1st, 2023. And then your name sir.
BS: Bobby Slade
RP: And would you mind spelling that? For me.
BS: B O B B Y S L A D E
RP: Perfect.
RP: We'll go ahead and get started then, sure. But what was your role at Farm aid? Were you a part of staff? Were you just an attendant or?
BS: It just happens that, that a good friend of mine, his name is Greg Cacciatori. And Greg ran Mabels on Green Street, which is the club downtown. Everybody back in the day went to a lot of live rock and Roll bands would play there. And most people know him and Steven J, is his brother on WDWS with Dan and now with his own station. But anyway, Catch was from what I understood was kind of a liaison. Tyson chicken, the brothers of Tyson Chicken, came in. They were friends of Willie supposedly, and all this happened anyway. The day of the event or the day before had rained a lot. And I don't honestly believe I know as I planned on coming. I don't recall for sure, but, I got a call from Catch and he said, “Hey, Bobby, I need a favor.” And I said “Sure, what do you need?” He said “I need your bar mats.” I owned the hideaway restaurant and bar down on Devonshire, Dr. It opened in 1983 and I said “You need what?” And he said, “I need your bar mats.” And I said “What for?” And he said “Farm Aid,” he said “it's rained and they put straw down and it's a muddy, sloppy mess, and the entertainers are walking through it, and it's not good. So can we use your bar mats?” And I said, “Well, I guess.” and he said “I'll give you an all area, all access pass. How about that?” And I said “Sounds good.” So about an hour later, if less than that, a limousine pulled up at the back of my restaurant and these two guys get out and they come in and they get all my bar mats. And at the time, I had a lot because my back bar area was big anyway, that's how it all started. So I get this pass and this is on Saturday. And I come over and, it was, it was surreal to me because I was 25 years old and the musicians that were going to be here were, some of them were at the top of their of their prime, their career. Some of them just starting and some of them were, were older. But it was a mix between country and rock'n'roll stars, and I love both those genres of music. So I come over on Saturday and the first thing, I don't remember a lot walking around at the time, but I do remember Saturday night down here in the end zone and what was so cool about what they did and I didn't know any of this till they got here, but, the stage was built in that end Zone and if they built it to 50 end zone, but what was so cool? It was a round stage inside the square part and it would so they could get one band hooked, ready to go on one side and then they would spin it and the next one was ready. Because if you've been to a concert, it takes a lot of time to get one off and reset the stage and do the other and I thought. That was genius. Anyway, I'm walking around and I just kind, Of walked up on the stage and the stadium was empty, the lights were on. The sound check was on the 50 yard line and Eddie Van Halen. I was just on the side of the stage and Eddie was about 10 feet away, and Sammy Hagar was in the middle and Darryl Hall was on the other side and, they were, they were doing a sound check, singing Wild Thing - The song and I would just like to say I was a kid, in the candy store. Because I'm just like, I'm mesmerized. You know, this is so cool. And I like it's funny because when I reminisce, I'm thinking I was the only one there. But these guys? Which obviously isn't true. But there weren't a lot of people there. At the time. And, it, it just that kind of started it. I don't remember. I walk around and I remember. The story from Willie Nelson was leave your egos at home. That's what he had told the entertainers. And this was obviously all before 9/11, which made everything more simplified. There wasn't security. You could just go and do things and this pass I'm wearing around my neck. I just went places and. They didn't know, who I was, I knew most of the entertainers were, but nobody questioned anything and it was all harmless. So anyway, I spent the next day and a half walking around and I collected all these interviews. There's 27 that I have here, and it was so cool because the some of them. Stayed in local hotels. And I almost kind of need to go through this. So I was watching an interview and they were interviewing Willie. He was probably 15 feet in front of me and the crowd was, was pretty good, but it was in the backstage area. This was during the daytime and there's a guy standing next to me who was at least a foot and ½, taller than me with his big cowboy hat on, and he had a trench coat that went clear down to, his, above his ankles, you know, and a beard. And the whole thing I'm like good guys. You know, anyway. It ended up being David Allen Coe and I know who these people are, I didn't at the time I didn't. You know, if your faces were out there like Willie and John Cougar and those you knew who I knew who. They were. But I didn't recognize him at first. I knew later on I did not get his autograph, but anyway, so I, I just kind of walked around back in that area. It was easy when you saw people that, you know Johnny Cash and and being back there for a day and a day and a half people were talking, you know, and you heard stories about this was going on that was going on. You know, Willie had a trailer, but it wasn't a bus. I mean, if he had a bus, I didn't see it. What he had was an actual, trailer like you would go camping. And that would you would pull, you'd hook up to your truck and you'd pull it. And it was I, It wasn't even what I would call fancy. But you can watch him go in and out of it. And of course, all the stories about Willie, we all know Willie like to smoke his own, own pot. And they said, well, if you go in, in this trailer, you know, you wave your hands so you can see where everybody's at. It was, it was stories. I'm being honest telling that we're, we're joking about back in that, in that walking around and anyway. I'm trying to think here, what, where I go next. I started walking around and I had a pad of paper and a pen and it was just a pad of paper that, that you would get and then had the,1 the gummy side on one end and you tear them off. So I started walking around and, and I remember I saw a car pull up, which was a short limousine. And he got out when went back in the day was called the tennis court area. No, I'm sorry. No, it was back down, this road that goes between down here on the stadium on the, on the north side. And it was Glen Campbell. And he had gotten out. And if you look, what's to me, you guys are younger. But when you look at the program and you look how young they look back then. It was really. It was. Blows my mind to think about it, but he got out and my mother was, a huge Glen Campbell fan, so I walked up and I'd just ask him if he could please sign this, he said sure. And I said, could you sign it to my mom? So he did, to Suzanne love Glen Campbell, and I go through this and I, some of the stories when Alabama I knew the lead singer because at the time, Alabama was the premier country music band that had won all the awards. And I knew the lead singer. So I walked up and there was about 7 or 8 Guys walking in this group and, and I go, “Could I get your autograph?” and he signed it and I went and I kind of went around and the next guy signed it and then I went to the next guy. “You don’t want me,” he said. “I'm, I'm just a roadie. You want him and him?” I said “thank you,” which was a little bit embarrassing on my part because I, you know, I didn't know who the other guys, were but, Unless you follow them real, real close, you don't always know who the other band members are so. I did get all four of the band and I have since looked at autographs and they're. They're really pretty good for being on one piece of paper and then at the time, Sissy Spacek, who was an actress, was in town and they had just filmed the movie Urban Cowboy at Gillies in Texas, and it was with John Travolta, Sissy Spacek, Deborah winger, some other stars I don't remember, but it was the big movie of the time and they were all here. And I got Sissy Spacek and, Sorry I'm thinking here and trying to at the same time. Debra Winger also had signed it. Anyway, as I go through this and I walked around, it was so cool because I'm going to get confused here on some of this. Some of this happened Saturday, some of it happened Sunday and my recollection of when all it did. Because it was an evening. I remember walking. There was a trailer like, not a double wide, but a single wide trailer, and I remember coming around the corner from the back of the stadium area out into the grass area and I don't remember if it was Tom Petty or if it was Billy Joel that had walked out of this, trailer and, and I stopped and I got the autograph and I thought, “well that my what's going on?”, In the trailer so I just walked in like I knew what I was doing and I looked back and I laughed like Bobby here, like, gutsy to do that. I walked in and they were. There was the other one. If it wasn't Billy Joel, I think it was Billy Joel being interviewed on the inside. And it was just a chair against the wall with the light on the chair and interview. And I think the interview was Mark Goodman, at the time Mark Goodman was the original DJ that started MTV in 1983. And I looked around and there was nothing else in this trailer but a, but a chair by the door. So I just sat down in the chair like I knew what I was doing, I guess. Or I, I don't know. Nobody said anything, so I let him finish the interview. And followed him out the door and then I got Billy Joel to sign this my his autograph for me. And I looked to my left and here's BB King, who is, Probably heading in to get his, so I got BB's at that time too and I remember. I'm, I'm kind of going back and forth here on this but my, what they did was Tyson Chicken donated the food, right? Well, they had a tent that served food and you could, they got, They tried to get people to donate their time to serve the entertainers, so I, I don't know if it was catch that or Ken said something to me or something. So we're looking for people. Bobby, call your restaurant. So I called and I got three of my bus boys. One of them was my nephew, who at the time was probably 14 years old. And my, I remember because my aunt called me and said, “Bobby, are you going to take care of him? What's going on? You know, I don't know.” And I go “Sure. Just send Sean on down here.” One of the funny part was, I don't think I saw him much the rest of the evening but. He had the time of his life. And I looked over at one time inside one of the tents. And here on a Bale of hay as Sammy Hagar on each side is my both of my bus boys from my restaurant, sitting there just talking to him. You know, and I thought, wow, this. Is pretty cool so, those are just different things that happened throughout the period that I was here.
RP: Just a quick question. Do you think your nephew would be interested in doing an interview with us like online or something?
BS: Sure I can. I can call Sean and, and add that to it and see what he thinks. Yeah, his story would be good. I would think if he remembers it, that's fine.
RP: I'm trying to think the best way to do it would. You mind writing down his information?
BS: And I'm you're supposed to ask questions, and I kept rambling. I'm sorry.
RP: Oh, you're totally good.
BS: The evening of the show. I remember that, crowded back there, it was dark and Eddie Van Halen had come out, was walking around the corner right here on this corner of the building to go back to the stage. And he was with his wife, Valerie Bertinelli Van Halen. And I am, she was born in 1962 and the show that she was on TV, she was a heart throb in my opinion. And I walked up to Eddie and he signed it. And then my favorite singer, of course, is Valerie Bertinelli Van Halen. And I have it. Yeah, but anyway, they had a bottle of Jack Daniels in their hand and I. or I don't remember if Eddie had it or Valerie had it and they dropped it and it broke and it was.
RP: Oh no.
BS: It was kind of crazy because there was, people around and there was some kids and not that I wasn't a kid. I was 25, but there's some kids that went to pick up the broken glass because it was Eddie's bottle of broken Jack Daniels on the ground, and I'm going, I'm looking at it going. “It's just glass people.” But anyway it, it brings to light, even then, you know entertainers that you, that were in their prime and and starting. What people want to, to get from them as memorabilia of some kind, I guess I thought that was a little far, but anyway. What I did find out too was that David Lee Roth had left Van Halen and Sammy Hagar. That was the first time that they sang together as a band was here at Farm Aid. So that was a little bit of history, I thought. Was pretty cool too. Anyway, I could go on through here too with others, I don't remember where I got everybody. As far as that's in my book, I just walked around and some of them I got on Saturday and some of them I got on Sunday. I guess that that's unique to me is, I was in the food tent, And Bob Dylan, who, if you know anything about Bob Dylan, he, he wears glasses that are like this. They're like black. And I mean they're, they're like, opaque, You wonder how you can see through it, you know...
15:30 to end:
BS: …and I’m going man this is a trip.
BS: And he had a cross earring that he was known for wearing a cross earring.
BS: And when you see it live, it's like you want to think.
BS: Man, if that thing is so big (laughter), if I had it, my head would be at a tilt all the time, and his classic black leather.
BS: And he turns around and he's just looking at me.
BS: I assume because he had the glasses on and I said Mr. Dillon, could I get you to sign this?
BS: And he had a piece of pizza on a plate in one hand and a pop in the other
BS: And he just kind of shrugged his shoulders and said “Yeah, what we're going to do?”
BS: And I said I'll tell you what I had, I had this pad of paper that was it, I said.
BS: I'll hold that if you sign this.
BS: So I held his pop or his pizza.
BS: I don't remember which one it was, and I held this and he took the pen and he signed it like this.
BS: So if you look at the autograph.
BS: You'll understand that this is Bob Dylan's autograph. Now you see how scribbly it is?
RP: Yeah.
BS: So if you were to send that in to get it authenticized as being an actual autograph, they'd probably say no that’s not his.
BS: It's his because he signed it in front of me, but he signed it as I'm holding the pad and he's holding the pen out and he's signing it straight.
Background: (Laughter)
BS: Rather than doing this so it's unique to me, but it's nonetheless, it was cool how they did it.
BS: I then kind of moved around and
BS: Entertainers that I knew, I got them to sign stuff, an autograph for me on this pad of paper.
BS: The only person that did not sign that I asked and I, you know.
BS: For whatever was in my mind when Willie said leave your egos at home.
BS: I wasn't somebody that was forceful.
BS: And if I had offended somebody in a way to ask him to sign it, it would have been no problem.
BS: I said, “you know sorry I asked him,” and walk away.
BS: But Brian Wilson from The Beach Boys was sitting down, and maybe that was the reason.
BS: I don't know that he was eating and I just, I had sat down.
BS: Next to him for. A minute and I just said, could I get you to sign this and
BS: He wouldn't do it. Don't mean that to be. Bad in any way, except that was the only one that said no.
BS:And on the flip side.
BS: I saw Loretta Lynn walking across the grass,
BS: And who I assumed with, who was her manager at the time and they came closer and
BS: I kind of stood there and knew she was walking toward her bus.
BS: And I said Miss Lynn, could I get you to please sign this?
BS: And it was funny because she stopped and her manager kind of said no, she doesn't have time.
BS: And he wasn't mean, but he wasn't nice about it.
RP: Yeah
BS: And she said, you know what? I would love to, but I really have to tinkle. So if you'll wait here. Just a few minutes. I'll come back and sign it.
BS: So I waited probably 15 minutes or so, and sure enough, she came back and signed that autograph.
BS: So I think I already said that Willie- Johnny Cash had gotten off an MTD bus on 1st St.
RP: Yeah
BS: And I saw him get off. I did say that, didn't I?
RP: You did.
BS: Ok.
BS: What I thought too was really cool when I first learned about what was going on was
BS: At the time my father was a good friend with Neil Stoner, who was the athletic director at the university at that time.
BS: They did not want this to happen.
RP: Oh did they think you'd ruin the turf.
BS: Yes, and the turf was brand new.
RP: Yeah
BS: So and turf. What I remember back then at any college was new and I can't imagine what it was cost.
BS: But anyway, from my understanding the story was and I don't know that Neil was the one to, to deny them having it.
BS: Maybe it was the President University.
BS: At the time, I didn't have all the details, but the DIA, the division of intercollegiate athletics, didn't want that to be messed with, and Jim Thompson's friendship with Willie Nelson put it.
BS: Glitch on (Unintelligible) that said, no you will have it.
BS: So they did, but that's where Warehouser (or Warehaiser), which is a huge lumber producer at the biggest at the time,
RP: Yup
BS: End up putting the layers of 4 by 8 sheet plywood down that were duct taped together and I found that to be unbelievable because they brought it in on the railroad, unloaded it, taped it on the ground and layered that.
BS You can imagine goes beyond the football field. That whole thing was plywood.
BS: You can imagine how many sheets that would take.
RP: Yeah.
BS: That was really cool.
RP: Just to segway a little bit,
RP: We wanted to ask if you had any connections to the farm crisis at all, or if this was the first time you had been hearing of it.
RP: I know that's a very big detour from where we were, but.
BS: What you know? This from being raised.
BS: I was raised in Mohammed, Illinois and farms everywhere around here.
BS: And yeah, the pub or the national story at the time were small farmers were losing their farms, they couldn't…
BS: I don't know, if the time all the details of price of grain wasn't there or?
BS: What was going on, embargos might have been happening. With our country and others,
BS: And it was a struggle for the small farmers to keep the farm
BS: And that's where I believe John Cougar Mellencamp, Willie Nelson and Neil Young. Started this.
RP: Yes
BS: So as far as beyond that, no.
RP: Ok
RP: Was, you said you owned a bar, correct?
BS: On the hideaway restaurant and bar on Devonshire and South Champaign, at the time. Yeah.
RP: Did you see an influx of people from the concert come by you as they were leaving or?
BS: You know, I don't think so at the time.
BS: And me being 25, you know, I've been to a lot of concerts already and was a concert person. I don't.
BS: No, I just don't.
BS: Because as a matter of fact, when I had called back
BS: My hostess at the time, which I would guess would probably be in early 40s, she said.
BS: You know, Bob Dylan, I can meet Bob Dylan and I said you can meet them all.
BS: So she came over and some with my other. Some of my weight staff and they worked the food tent.
BS: Just And it was pizza and chicken and drinks and stuff.
BS: It was simple stuff, but they wanted people to be able to serve the entertainers.
BS: And then any of the staff that worked at the stadium while it was going on and so yeah, they got to come over and help and I wouldn't allow that to happen if we were really busy.
RP: Ok, Were you able to?
RP: Sorry, I'm trying to like rephrase this question.
RP: Were you on the field like, you got to watch the actual concert?
BS: No.
RP: Oh, you didn't.
BS: I chose not, to my ticket…
RP: You chose not to?
BS: My ticket is right there. Never used. That's the original ticket. What it's 17.50?
BP: I did not and it was raining most of the time and I'm thinking I got a better view where I'm at.
BP: So I was watching people. It was intriguing to me to watch what, how the stage worked.
RP: Ok.
BS: It was the first of its kind to be around that they built that
BS: And to watch the entertainers come back and forth and.
BS: It was just low key, the best of my recollection of what happened,
BS: And you could stop and talk to an entertainer like we are right now.
BS: And some of them, I mean, you know, who doesn't have an ego when it comes to that, but most of them were really pretty cool to talk with, you know.
RP: Yeah
BS: And it was, they were coming and going all day because there was some I would have loved to have gotten.
BS: I honestly didn't even know who all was here and the programs that I have since collected and put in my collection I go through and I'm like, oh man, Jon Bon Jovi was here.
BS: Oh, man, Jimmy Buffett was here.
RP: Yeah
BS: I'm a huge Parrot Head, and I didn't get those guys and I didn't see them.
BS: And then I'm sure there's some. I probably walked right past and didn't know.
DS: So you say that you've met a lot of people at this concert.
DS: Was there any individual that like surprised you when you met them, someone that acted in a way that you maybe didn't expect?
BS: I wish I could remember better. Some of them, like Jeff Hannah from the nitty gritty dirt band the song Mr. Bojangles, which is. I love that song from way back.
BS: I did not was not a nitty gritty dirt band fan.
BS:They came out in the 60s and early 70s, were popular.
BS: But I ran into him because I'm thinking somebody else knew who he was and was getting an autograph, something.
BS: Well, I think I want, maybe I should get one. And I went up and he and I don't know
BS: If he said, you know who I am.
BS: And I, help me out, you know, and Jeff Hanna from the nitty gritty dirt band.
BS: And it was a conversation. So what? I mean is who would you know what I mean?
BS: You don't know who I am. Heck with you, kid. That could have been. The answer but he was, he was very kind about it and most of the entertainers were just like that.
BS: It was the times….
RP and DS: Yeah
BS: It was you know, we didn't. There was the security wasn't everywhere.
BS: They didn't have bouncers following the entertainers around. There was a manager with several of them and a lot of them were just hanging out.
BS: Don Henley and I'm a huge Eagles fan and I knew the faces.
BS: With them, it was just that simple as far as that.
BS: I'm a person, as you know. I like to talk and I love people.
BS: I was in the bar business almost 30 years and I just love conversation with people.
BS: So it wasn't a problem for me to start a conversation yet at some of the times you guys, I got to be honest when I said that Eddie and Sammy and Darryl were on stage.
BS: I'm like I should have just said, hey, guys, I've got a restaurant and bar. You want to hang out when you're done and take them back to my place.
BS: I'm surprised when I look back at it that I didn't do that, but…
RP: You were caught up in the moment
BS: I was definitely caught up in the moment and I don't know that anybody that wouldn't have except the people that maybe have worked it because it just kind of fell in my lap.
BS: How this happened and I'm over here, I'm like Wow
BS: And the sad part was we didn't have cell phones or I would have had a lot of selfies
RP and DS: (Laughter)
BS:and I didn't think about bringing a camera.
BS: And I don't know, to be honest with you, if I did in my mind I didn't want to impose on the entertainers.
BS: I did, I wanted the autograph was really cool and it was it's more cool today than it was then.
BS: Believe it or not, I look back and go, Oh my gosh, what, did you know? How did I do all that?
BS: But it was really low key as far as that term of it, so.
DS: So you've brought a large collection of autographs.
DS: Is there any that you look quite fondly on or any that kind of stick out to you more than others?
BS: On the autographs?
DS: Yeah. In the autographs that you brought.
BS: Well, like I said, who's not even a singer but an actress is Valerie,
BS: Probably because you had to, I don't know who you would pick at your age. Your young lady who you think is a heart-throb on TV.
BS: That was what she was in my mind.
DS: (Laughter)
BS: You know what I mean? You look at an actress or an actor and like, wow.
BS: The ones that stuck out are people like Johnny Cash and Waylon Jennings.
BS: They were legends, and I grew up listening to those guys when I was a young kid down the Victrola on the RCA Turntable that we had at home.
BS: Those are the people that I grew up listening to, and I mean to walk up to him and see him face to face.
BS: It was, it was surreal at that time, some of them with the rock'n'roll stars, was really cool to me.
BS: Some of them that I really didn't know, and at the time that, like Joni Mitchell and Emmy Lou Harris,
BS: They're legends in the 60s and their songwriting skills and the bands that, that they all knew and their story.
BS: I love that. Part of the history, and I don't remember where I got some of the signatures.
BS: But there's one in here that Emmy Lou Harris signs and it's so beautiful, handwriting and all.
BS: I'm like, I can't believe I would be holding it.
BS: You know, I don't know if I turned around and said here sign it on my back while you, you know, put it down or where it was at.
BS: But Bob Dylan was pretty cool. The way that happened…
RP and DS: Yeah
BS: because there was a between the two of us how we had to do something together to get it done.
BS: Joni Mitchell has a pretty signature, you know, different ones.
BS: That's the Emmy Lou Harris one right there and she signs to Bobby “Sweet dreams.”
BS:And it's, I'm sure that happens with whoever they sign it, but it's classic. You know what I mean,
BS: Tanya Tucker. She puts 85 on it. For whatever reason, Johnny Cash. Of course.
RP: I believe it happened in 85. So I'll check that out.
BS: Yeah, yeah. Which was cool, because that's the only one that's in here that has the authenticity to put 85 or whatever. John Cougar Mellencamp, of course, was John Cougar Mellencamp at the time.
BS: His name now is John Mellencamp, so he dropped the middle part out and that's the autograph that I think is really cool for that.
BS: I'm just a huge rock'n'roll fan and all these just.
RP: They're very, have you had a chance to photograph them over the station?
BS: Yeah, they did that.
RP: They did?
BS: Yes, anyway
DS: That's amazing. So it all started due to obviously giving away your bar mats in order to help the concert.
DS: Did you get them bar mats back?
BS: Did I what?
DS: Did they return the bar maps to you or?
BS: Yes, oh yeah, I did, I got em, and I don't remember if we got them back home on Monday.
BS: I think I believe they even cleaned them off for me, but it wouldn't have mattered.
BS: I mean, you know, I got them back and Catch the guy that got me all this stuff over here.
BS: I don't know if it was six months or a year or maybe longer than that later, he said.
BS: I had no pictures of anything and I'm like you know. Dang it, I don't.
BS: So I was hoping that somebody would.
BS: Well, he called me saying, hey, I got a bunch of pictures that were taken.
BS: I go. You're kidding me and I saw I met with Catch and there's a stack like this, but the pictures are all.
BS:They're in the back, but they're not of anything, let's put it this way.
BS: There are all kinds of pictures of tents and people working and stuff like that.
RP and DS: Yeah
BS: They were. There's no entertainers in it. And I go Catch.
BS: Where’s, well, I kind of got picked through.
BS, RP, and DS: (Laughter)
BS: Yeah You think so?
BS: But it was really cool that I kept them anyway.
BS: And I think they're made copies of them down there.
BS: Some of them really cool because it had some backstage area that was the way it was then.
BS: And I looked at him and said I'm like, that's not quite the way I remember it.
BS: And it's funny how, how we, how I.
BS: I guess I don't want to speak for other people, but you kind of embellish your story a little bit like mine.
BS: Sitting on stage. There's nobody here but us, you know, so cool. I'm sure there was people around, but I just kind of.
BS: Focused on what was in front of me and didn't think about that, so.
RP: Well, I'm sorry to cut you off. I think we have a couple of people waiting outside.
BS: Sure I'm sorry.
RP: So we just got a segway over.
RP: But thank you so much for your time and your story.
RP: If you would like to connect us with your nephew, there's no pressure to do so, but we'd love to hear his view as like a 14 year old kid because.
RP: That's, that's a different perspective, yeah.
BS: Sure, I'll give you his number here.
BS: We're going to go ahead and stop.